Thanks Ron, will have to try your isometric view hint; makes sense. I've gotten a few useful shape changes from the putty tool, but haven't been able to grab a vertex below the mouth without opening or closing the jaw. It doesn't seem to work on a vertex unless there's an existing morph that moves that vertex to or from that direction. Be aware that it's my product, but P5JudyMagic has hundreds of additional head morphs, so there's a lot more to work with. Elisa/gryffnn