Well, I did buy him. He pose well and looks better in detail then in the littl4e thumbnails at Zygote. Seems like none of my P3 or P4 head morphs have the right vertice count. Guess I'll make some morphs, if anyone else is interested I'll make those available when they happen but could be several weeks since I'm moving Toronto next month. I already took him to Amorphium and made him a younger fat guy, I want to put a goatee on hime and make him more hip. Well, thanks for info.