I agree with Jaager and Ringo. But, I'm waiting to see something very very important before I upgrade to P5. A plugin for Carrara... and not Carrara to Poser. I want Poser to Carrara. I only use Poser for character posing and animation, I would LOVE it ... if I could manipulate Poser figures directly in Carrara, read in PZ3 files... the works. Carrara's weak point is character animation, that is Poser's strength. Carrara beats the tar out of Poser in everything else. I would get P5 instead of waiting to see what Daz offers if I got that wish... hint hint