You know, dzarts, I just had a thought. Show us image picture again rendered with the camera focal length set at around 100 to 120. That drastically changes the appearance of a figure. I believe the shots you're showing us are at the default 25 setting. You'll be surprised how this can change it. Many here have dubbed the standard P4NudeMale as "Poser Dork," but if they would change the camera focal length, they would see a whole new guy. Give it a try and see how it looks. Melanie