Serpentis - I've had arguing with people with some chip on their shoulder in this thread, so instead I'll agree with you. So yes, you're right, I'm depressed because I don't get any views or comments on my miserable "I'm trying to make a mountain" images. I am indeed grasping at any straw that will get my appalling efforts noticed for even 10 seconds longer than are at present, and I don't care who I have to screw to do it. That OK? rockets - you're right to. The only people who frequent this forum are the ones who have spare time, due to them not being busy rendering 3 images in one day. I couldn't agree more. It is clear the poll is biased for this reason. Also, I agree with all the posts that will follow this one, whatever they might say. On the ball, every one of them. Great!