Excuse me, for creating even more confusion! But, i have 3 systems with 3 different videocards, and it's different for each one?! Anyhow, Nerd! I take the guess work out of this completely: 1- Render your item(Nice'n easy) 2- Export image 3- reimport it as background image 4- move item out of the CAM's way 5- save item in library. makes for some nice & easily itentifiable stuff in my libraries... Very useful for those items(namely Hair & clothes) with transparency.. Marc