"To me it's the resulting artwork that is the goal, not what tools were used to create it." Exactly my point, Boni... As far as I'm concerned, many of the Lightwave/Maya/Max etc "purists" who look down on Poser shows a considerable lack of understanding when it comes to art. They are mainly interested in engineering, in the technical aspects of the creation. Not in the end result. Of course the "engineering" aspect is interesting, but it has very little to do with art. I'm sure that Michelangelo and Rembrandt could have had a very interesting discussion about the technical aspects of brushes, but I doubt that they would refer to that as "art talk". The same applies to a discussion about Poser vs. Lightwave or when comparing the usage of NURBS or subdivision surfaces in modelling. Interesting from a technical point of view, but from an artistic point of view? No... Interesting for a viewer who appreciates the end result? Not at all. It's natural that a certain amount of "geek talk" flourishes at a site like this, since people here are struggling with the technical aspects of rendering and modelling to make their art. But we should keep in mind that tech talk is tech talk. Art talk is art talk. In the 3D world, these two are very often confused with each other.