: ) ...I understood I was Adobe's site - my point was that Adobe seems to be singing the opening verse of the same song MetaCreations is singing and sang as it pushed the products out the door... I think e-commerce is interesting and I think there is a future of some sort for 3d modelled, interactive product browsing - but Im not convinced it will ever amount to anything as interesting as what us common folk are creating with these powerful, affordable products. So considering all that's gone on and with the sort of uncertainty about the future of the products, I was a little alarmed (or maybe dismayed - or maybe even over-reacting certainly) to seeing the supposed new mother host bleating "e-commerce e-commerce". : ) Whew! - Dave