I keep reading, "Posing, is an art" Well yes it is. However when you model your own character polygon by polygon, texture it yourself, create your own environment, customise it ect ect, you still pose your own character. However the clear difference is that when using poser, you jump right to the posing and customising stage. Which is fine. However it does take alot of the creativity out of things, and does make many many poser artworks, look exactly the same. It's the same as getting a sketch of Mickey Mouse, rubbing the ears out and drawing pointy ones in. "Oooh look, My new character design, its a cat".... No, no its not. It's Micky Mouse with modified ears. And if you think this sounds retarded, check out most poser galleries. This type of examples can be seen everywhere. Another thing to ponder. If there are so many opinions here of "art is art, who cares how its made, I do it because it means everything to me, and its deep and meaningfull" Then why when this topic comes up, are there always a flock of Poser people running in and justifying their means? If its all about the art, and your relation with it. Who cares what other people outside the poser community think. Right? Mark J. Taylor