That's why e-on has introduced ozon - to give other programs the abability to use atmos and skies. Finally don't forget what you are comparing. A low cost program like Vue or Bryce and high end, high price ones like Cinema or LW. If you want the ideal world (in a way), you must switch to something like Maya or Softimage. And pay the price. Regarding the price/performance relation i think nothing can beat Vue or Bryce. Again, we are here in the low price segment. But - for me - not in the low quality one.

One day your ship comes in - but you're at the airport.