My friend got me into Bryce 2 (he barely does any 3D stuff, but he found them first) and I played with it, then got discouraged because I wanted to do people. He mentioned a program called Poser 2, I played with his copy, was completely put off by it (ugly people, plus I couldn't find hair..) Later on, I saw some Bryce images on the web with human-looking people, I kept my eyes open and I found Poser 3. That hooked me for a little while, till I got tired of having cheesy or no clothing to work with. Then I found Renderosity, saw what everyone here was doing with Poser, got some help with my Bryce skills while I was at it.. Then Poser 4 was my dream-come-true. =) It's got its problems, but it's so much better than 3 IMO. I can't wait for 5. =) Rosh