Well, that's weird because I frequently have both Hier and Joint Editor winodws open simultaneously.... and for long periods of time.... like an hour. If I'm using the Joint Editor, I always select body parts through the Hier window. 'Do you have any applications at the background on that panel's position which has that same "texture"?' Oh sure.... all my apps have tie 'n' dye interfaces! LOL. Nah, I just stick with plain, ole' vanilla for most apps. See y'all at Area 51 or in the Theme Hospital! mac