lalverson said, 'the ones that burn me, never see another dime from me' Atta boy, lalverson!! That's the way it should be! As a vendor, I put up 2 products at DAZ a year ago, then stopped. I've spent the last year (on and off) working on a kick-ass pack. Reason? From now on, if it ain't GREAT, my name isn't going on it. I don't want to belittle anyone's work, but sometimes I really wonder if some of the things I see out there ever actually sell. 'But there has been a trend for lower prices and better value lately' Amen to that, too! This is known as free market enterprise. If I can't make something that's good enough to justify people shelling out their hard-earned cash, then I shouldn't be trying to sell. Simple as that. And if someone does it better in Freestuff, can I blame people for getting that instead? No way! I'd do it myself. Anyway, it's great to see all these bucks being spent on Poser. Maybe I'll get rich and fat one day. LOL. mac