Thanks for the clarification, Bijouchat. I see where you are coming from. I've been using Poser just for the posed person, hair and clothing and doing all else in Carrara so my use is a little different but I do the same drag and drop of the shaders once there. It is do-able, just tedious. Regarding P5, I do like the dynamic cloth for certain articles. The hair is nice (yes, could be much better but for wild, unstyled hair, works great; also needs to export). I use the DAZ models so the face room isn't too useful but it is nice. I've got to say that the Daz product sounds very suspect to me. These tools don't get created all that easily. Could be a long time before DAZ gets a stable, full-featured tool. And it seems to me to be out of their 'core competency.' That is, do the DAZ folks have any experience with SW projects of this scope? They do great stuff but companies typically run into trouble when they try to do something materially different. But a second product can't hurt, especially if Curious Labs really is faltering. Marc