Oh My Gawd, I sent a very long reply to this and it somehow did'nt make it. lets see if I can get it close. If you did the above with the 2nd window in the pic.editor and if you put a little bean (Marrble or whatever you wanna call it) in the A colums (try differnt ones.(Diffuse,Ambience,Transparency,bump ect.) doing this will "Drive" those Channels. if it still doesnt work,then you may have to solve your problem in PSP(create a transparency channel). I looked at meta's site and couldnt find the patch for Bryce 3 anymore. the site basically redirects you to Corel's site but it only Has the Bryce 4 Patch. If you find the patch, make sure you have a CD or you wont be able to use Bryce "AT ALL". ... Man....Yesterday's version was much better... Don't cha hate it when that happens? Hawkfyr

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