I must admit that my first experience of Poser was from Warez. I d/l'ed poser 1 and found it to be annoying and useless. Deleted it and moved on. I read the Poser 4 box ages later at Best Buy and thought that maybe the time had come to check into it again. So, back to warez. I d/l'ed poser four and fell in love, and most of that love came from the work I found posted here. "Why, I can do that too!" was my naive reaction! When I knew I loved it, I bought it and bryce. Who says warez aren't useful and hurt the software community? There is nothing more convincing than a fully functioning, non-gun-pointed-to-the-head demo. Darth, not a thief, just a man who likes to know what 180 dollars is going to before giving it away, Logice