my friend showed me this awesome (to my memory) picture of some spaceships, I thought "I've got to learn to do that!" and that's why I downloaded the warez version of bryce. I soon got bored of it and didn't touch it again. A few years later I saw another awesome bryce picture, downloaded it again, and played a bit more. This time I didn't let myself get distracted until I had some idea what was happening, but I lamented my inability to put humans in the pictures. So I asked around, downloaded a few demos, but couldn't find anything, until a friend told me to try poser4. He gave me a (warez) copy, and I loved it. Very soon I realised that I didn't need bryce, poser was enough. Yep, I'm with darth. In many cases warez creates sales, it's not totally evil. And there was a poser demo? I looked for that (before the warez) but couldn't find one. Of course, it was ages ago, I could have been looking in the wrong place. And then poser4 with conformable clothes? just brilliant =) now I've just got to save up the money to buy a legal version of 3DSMax sigh SewerRat