thanks, Schlabber...you've done some really good stuff for this community. i try to do all that i can by myself...but, i do have some of your poses to use as a basis for my own stuff....i use them and change them, a little here, or there..or alot here or there. they are a starting point. i think this was a bogus question because it read: "any utilities to make premade poses easier?" and, well, the person who posted this thread commented a couple times on the "worth" of poser art..in the c4d forums. also, after i wrote my opiniion, here....i did get a mean comment on my last gallery upload from the author of this thread. oh, well, takes all kinds to make an internet. posing is an art....it takes time, and, even some learning....typing in the variables is a skill that cannot be bought, simply learned. as far as poser being a "low quality" program. i have a number of programs that cost more than poser. i purchased lightwave, last month, since my taxes killed me less than i had expected. poser is down and dirty, and, gets the job done quick, for some of us. apps like lightwave WILL bone, pose, and animate....but....THEY TAKE MORE TIME. time, is money. Pop...Pop...Poppi!!!