Yes I know that one. Wouldn't you want to do all in room at once, able to see everything in there, and move snake exactly where you want em to be. With current version of Carrara modeling, you have to jump in and jump out alot. Bones for snake and attach snakes on the head would work. But, you have missed some of my points. Head skin and snake skin would show the line when attached. Sigh, let me think of another example for my universal modeling idea. A lip is complex model. It took me 1 1/16 minute making this lip. The top-middle lip is not following the curve point because of conflicts with other edges and polygons. I am unable to add curve points on the floor because its not close to the top-middle lip. I will post a picture of it with added curve points on floor. Waldoo