I guess it depends on if you think the few things you dloaded are worth the annual fee MegaJar ;o)...The problem with subs sites is you are trying to create for everyone coz they pay for everything, thats why we have the requests forum, if you want it i'll try my very best to make it....Krimpr, the short version is if you subscribe you get everything to download, the CD (just one V4.1 or a texture CD) will save you downloading some of the stuff, but there isn't anything on the cds thats not on the site ....nakamuram lets hope not ;o)...Steve