I've been using p5 since it was released, bought it pre-sale like other folks here and have been using it with each release. I haven't been bashing it, but if you want to call this bashing go ahead. I build my own systems and test them as well. I have only had this particular problem twice, and both times was with a new service release. Both times I've had to re-install everything on my system, both times the only program open was poser5. If you look on their site you will see that they have a program that is supposed to deal with the problem of not using all of your ram if you have over 1 meg. That is the program that crashed it the first time, took CL's and installed it to make use of my gig of ram. I'm using win2k with p4 2.5 1 gig ram geforce ti4600. I'm just tired of it working on and off, some days are great then suddenly it will do something totally squirrely. I don't know why there are some here who defend CL to the death on this thing when we all know it has been wracked with problems from the start. So get off me. Thanks, Marque