I've been pretty quiet on the Poser 5 debate until now. I have been using (and loving) Poser since version 1 ... and as much as I hate to admit it, Poser 5 is a big disappointment. I am trying to like it, I've even worked extensively with Judy and gotten her to look somewhat human ;-). And here I am trying to do a render of my latest Judy creation, and I can't count how many times Poser stops responding while rendering or multitasking. The only way out is to ctrl-alt-delete. I've got the latest video drivers, latest patches and figures, and I have defragged and cleaned up my hard drive. None of my other programs have these kinds of problems (and I have some hefty hardware requirements with some of them). So ... I don't think those who are still having problems with Poser 5 are bashing it and CL. There ARE still some problems. So sad ... I had such hopes for P5. 8-(