Thanks Deecey. I have also had poser since ver 1, still have the CD it was one of my first programs on CD...lol I just get frustrated when I try to do some work and it suddenly goes belly up on me. Some days it works and it's awesome, some days just sucks. Most programs you buy are pretty consistant, they either work well or they don't, poser 5 is the first I've used that is so unpredictable. At least I'm not threatening to sue the company the way some users here have. Course since it was in the p5 beta forum they weren't accused of bashing, just stating their frustrations...lol Marque