Me too Dialyn, i used to get lead parts in plays and i'm sure it was guilt for not letting me sing LOL.......I'm glad you posted Diane coz i couldn't find the old thread to tell you, hope its ok i kinda tryed to get a cross between the folk look and a realistic one....Well Pokeydots, yes, no, maybe LOL....i've beem experimenting with a few but its taking so long i think i need to put them back till i have spare time BUT with the ark in mind i thought i'd try the old bryce way and put pics on a plane with trans, But poser renders the shadows wrong...like in this image...but they work if you turn shadows off on them, do you think its worth posting, the good thing is you can get loads in and i have loads i can do, including elephants, giraffes, zebras, monkeys..i gotta show you these ;o).......Steve