Like Steve, I got Poser 1 and Bryce (I think it was V2) on a magazine here in the UK (possibly PC Format) and there was an article in it about the super new version Poser 3. Well, I played with P1 and found it great fun, so I upgraded. Then upgraded again to Poser 4 when it was released (anyone remember me bitching about how we had to wait here in the UK for several weeks after it was available in the US?). That was pretty much it. I never really used Bryce much until I got a chance to render a Poser figure in Bryce 3D on a friend's machine. That convinced me to buy it, and upgrade it to B4 as soon as I could. Now I render mainly in B4 rather than Poser. Paul