Jeff started the PoserTech egroup so there would be a place to go to ask questions without all the politics. It's not an attempt to take members away from here in the least. It's there as an ADDITIONAL resource. I don't know how many folks here are on the Poser egroups list. But when they swithched to using them. There were tons of this kind of panic. Eventually. everyone realized that egroups is not some evil empire. Trying to steal your first born son's. Egroups is a VERY popular service. And not using it is pure paranoia. And you are missing out on some great lists. Do what you want. But you are missing out on a bunch of great lists. ScottA