Thanks guys. SeanE, your pics are impressive, as I can tell they were done IRL, as opposed to being 100% computer generated. Not that poser,bryce,vue,ect art isnt art. But I always have a soft spot in my heart for the old fashioned pen and paper art. I love it all though. I just suck at digital art due to the vast anmount of money one seems to need to spend just to cloth the models. It's a racket. But the software artists and programming isnt easy , so they desearve their $15 for that victoria bra and panty set I suppose. It's just expensive. Thanks again and keep rendering.