And the response to them is...... 5 minutes, you and me, one terrain, textured and exported, you use 3dsmax, i use bryce. Ready...Set......GO!!!!!! <5 minutes later? maxer: uhh. here's what i got: (grayscale blob goes here) brycer: Good try, here's what I made: (high res eroded fractal terrain with altitude texture goes here.) maxer: so, how long have you been using bryce? brycer: 5 days, you? maxer: uhhh, 2, maybe 3 years. Uhh, beginner's luck i guess based on a real experience.