Texture fills I like to make seamless from the get-go. I can't stand a texture fill that's supposed to tile that doesn't. So I check 'em all...LOL ;o). Photoseam by Mediachance is a great program (actually the best I've found for just creating seamless from non-seamless). It's cheap too. I like that - cause I'm cheap...hehehe. However, I do have a lot of trims that I prepped myself and as long as there's a transparent background, making them seamless on the texture map is easy enough, especially when you are placing them in little bitty pieces when going around curves and what not. At that point, whether they are seamless or not makes no difference. You are gonna have to use the clone tool in those instances :o). At least that's been my experience. But it's a whole lot less difficult than a seamless texture fill :o) Laurie