hmmmm.... I'm not sure either, but I'm probably gonna have a shot at putting it to the test..... I despreately need experience in shooting models, but don't wanna make a total ass of myself by getting someone to agree to it then not knowing where to start..... to this end I'm gonna try to get a local photograper or two to let me 'sit in' on a modelling session..... when I get the chance (work, PhotoShop and damned motorbike permitting) I'll keep you updated. btw Michael, know what you mean about the 'seeing' thing - our lass can't understand when I 'see' something that isn't there either, but thankfully our eldest is starting to catch on and do exactly that now too!!! yay - my own apprentice for the future?!? he he he (",)