I think the biggest issue with Don and Judy is that many people were pissed (justifiably) at the performance of P5 when it first came out. That put a bad taste in everyone's mouths. With the srevice releases, P5 is now (IMHO) a cool product. I run it on a 850MHz machine with "only" half a gig of RAM, and have few problems. Don, Judy, Vicky (especially V3) and Mike are all great models if you take the time to learn their individual quirks. Heck, some people are still doing neat stuff with Possette. P5 and the Daz models are by no means mutually exclusive. If I had P4, I'd consider the upgrade to pro pack or P5 more valuable than the daz figures. Being able to use multiple camera angles alone is worth it to reduce the tedium. And, P5 is only $30 more than pro pack and includes a lot of neat features, plus Don and Judy. Later, I'd add the Daz figures and some high-end textures. (as was already pointed out, steffyzz makes some phenominal ones.)