someone at the lightwave forum has lw for sale, and has gotten no nibbles, far as i know...maybe you could work something out with him. or, just post messages that you'd like to buy it, and, someone may come up with an older version or something. teyon uses the demo...scroll up...might be worth it just to get the feel of it if you're interested. plus....i figure all the poser stuff i DON'T buy entitles me to an occasional program if i get a deal.