excuses you can make by the millions, it's not really that... it just pisses me off sometimes to see people uploading relatively default pieces, calling them their own and having the cheek to sell them (i've seen this on a number of occasions here). those kinds of people, the ones without much of a clue are the ones that i think give me, the hard-working hobbyist, a black eye. The whole argument with art being subjective could well stand, if taken to the extremes, as an argument to why the hell my pieces are not in the Guggenheim? REALLY!!! I consider it art... ;) I think some people are just too nice or whatever. Sometimes it pays to rip someone's work apart -in a friendly non-trolling way, just to help them understand. I'm perfectly willing to do that and I'm perfectly willing to accept it from someone else, as long as they know wtf they're talking about. In some cases though people fashion themselves as artists, adorn a shitty signature that takes half of the working space, and even have the cheek to sell their amalgamated shit, despite it being just a gathering of default textures and so on. That's where my beef is. Those people either don't know wtf they're doing and never will, or are abusing the software and us. drac