okay okay... mil-retards was too much... i see alot of valid points... and some not so... i guess it all just comes down to: 'what are you going to use poser for?' be it 4, pp or 5... i bought p5 because hiring actors was not an option and none of my friends can act. with p5 comes all the actors i could ever want. dynamic hair and cloth and full GUI for setting up and boning. im of the opinion that, if all you ever did was create/render and post here... then blow your money where you wana blow it. priority one for me was not to waste money on things i didnt 'need'. that said. i have every intention to creat my own clothing (shot/scene specific) for all my p5 characters so the fact that there is a lack of said articles doesnt stop me either, it only serves to teach me. leaving all who settle, in the dust.