Well I am not trolling! I know you never said you were a Bryce God... You imply that you are better than the rest of us though. To me it is just words. But to someone that is trying to improve on what they know already it is quite derogatory. It is the flame that you invited. "please flame me now..." You read the following comments you made and you will see what I mean by what I said above. 1.The first thing that I would like to ramble about -yet again, is the general lack of quality.... 2. "having a talent at art... is something that you're born with rather than grow into 3. Whatever else draws my attention on the way -like the really really poor matrix-wannabe tutorial on the main page right now 4. I am willing to bet that the majority of those who create and post poor works and show absolutely zero talent -and I can be a judge of that based on my experience with the program, showing no development over time, haven't bought the program 5. But what about these newbies... 6. some of us who know how to use the software yet give thumbs up to almost every single little piece of proverbial newbiness that crosses our path? 7. If you come here and pull a Timmy like some 30% of the works that get posted on this forum are, and you think you're the best thing since the original bryce, then you need therapy 8. If you come here and ask for help but all you get is 'great piece of work,' or 'love the atmosphere', then the only art you're practicing is that of bullshit. See what I mean. Those are the things that stand out. I appreciate the nice comments from you concerning my image as well. It just seems that you portray yourself as being better than everyone with your art. You do some nice work. I don't take that from you. Some excellent work if I might be so bold. I just think that being that this forum is open to the public that the little things that bother you should just be things that you see and let them pass.... Life is filled with these kinds of things. Sometimes they are better left alone. I agree that it is nice to have honest comments. I also agree that you learn by doing the work. But everyone has to start somewhere and you know as well as I that the Bryce manual sucks. Susan Kitchens Real World Bryce 4 is an excellent resource. However, I didn't know it existed until I saw it mentioned here. I went right out and bought it at Barnes and Nobel. I have a friend who I encouraged to buy a copy of Bryce5. I encouraged him to buy Susan Kitchens RWB4 and I also encouraged him to check out the Renderosity forum. Should I not have done so? After all he will be a newbie. I know that he will be calling me and asking all kinds of questions. But there will be a time I don't have the answer. What do I tell him.... "Don't go to the renderosity forum cause you are still a newbie."? See where I am coming from Drac... Maybe I was a little harsh in my previous post. Wasn't meant to be competitive or derogatory.... I just wanted to make a point, not to hurt feelings or tear you down. And by the way.... you are a talented artist. I have no problem saying that. Your work says so. ;o)

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