Whew, I couldn't load all of the last thread so I couldn't reply. I love Maconverter and Macinstaller. I suspect you have it working already, but notice that Macinstaller will create a new ExtraRuntime folder and put everything there so that the Runtime folder is left stock. Just back up the ExtraRuntime folder and you can back it up. Then you are always ready for that big hard drive crash. I open my new download and utilites folders, drag and drop twice, Option-Close the windows and launch Poser from the Apple menu. I'll never go back to the other way.