I consider myself a "newbie" to Bryce, I dont consider what I do as art, its just a hobby of mine (to make pretty pictures)and I dont take it as seriously as you. I come to this forum and Gallery because the people are friendly and genuinely want to help, I hadn't realized Renderosity was only meant for "the Great Ones or The Masters" I dont remember reading that in the TOS. I guess it will be a few years before I post an image again in the Gallery, by then I may be up to par. Although I do think however that there is only one reason you started this thread in the first place and it can be seen in your opening statement: "In the other forums I visit on the internet, as well as in real life, I'm seen as a disturber of the proverbial" Its like fighting with a pig, everybody gets dirty but the pig loves it. My $.02 worth