thank you tuttle, your post made the most sense and had the least amount of flamatory material ;) i think that it's a freedom to speak out though. and if it's not a popular opinion, then so be it. i've always had the guts to speak out my mind and i always will. it's not a matter of learning new techniques or learning in general, it's having the cheek to put out someone else's work -as in that default texture or photoshop plug-in default- as your own. and that pisses me off. enough said, thank you for the comments and everything else. mihnea