Damn, I wish someone would have told me that Bryce was not a "pro" package before I went and sold enough prints created with it to see me through the summer flyfishing season... Sorry guys, but I think elitism in any form has no place in ANY forum using ANY software. If you use a 5 dollar hammer or a 50 dollar hammer, the house you build can still fall down just as fast without the skills to build it sound. The software is just a tool. It is the proficiency and ability/talent you demonstrate with the tool at hand which defines success not the price you pay for the box. Only talent could be defined as a mostly inherent trait. The rest is learned either by trial and error or by direct instruction. Don't blame or also unduly credit the brush for the vision of the artist. A folk artist in southern Mississippi who painted with brushes made entirely by himself with paints left over from construction sites made it do a gallery showing and when asked "That is a stunning piece. Did you paint that?" and he replied "Well sir, it sho nuf din pain iself." What do you think the reply of well funded modern artist would be? Any different because of the brushes and paints he used? Aside from grammar and syntax, I seriously doubt it. Additionally along the same vein of thought, I have to say that setting "standards for display" in any one of the galleries ("either post something worth looking at or don't post at all") is a level of elitism that not only eliminates, but discriminates against anyone who does not live up to some vague variable standard set by god knows who, that asks the new artist to jump through moving hoops of fire when he/she should be enjoying, expressing and improving themselves. There is absolutely nothing wrong with coddling or patting on the back a new artist that has posted something that you would not use to wallpaper an outhouse. Anyone with eyes can see the possibilities with the software as demonstrated by many artists all over this site, and with the bar set so high most of those budding "newbie" artists may need more of a small boost in self esteem to reach those heights using their own abilities to self criticize, rather than a swift harsh kick in the ass or someone cheering - "if you can't jump this high then don't bother". Just a thought. :)