"Damn, I wish someone would have told me that Bryce was not a "pro" package before I went and sold enough prints..." Of course it's not a pro package! That's not elitism, it's a fact. I'm sure Giger could produce better artwork than most people using a burnt stick, it doesn't mean that burnt sticks are the choice of professionals. I'll stand 100% by the point about the Max, SI, Lightwave, Maya etc. The very fact they cost thousands in their most basic form - tens of thousands for comprehensive versions - clearly means they are indended for the very best, the pro's. People might disagree, but in my eyes, if you produce something using top end software it'd better have a top end look. If the kid next door buys an old Vauxhall but can't drive it very well I'll say "You're doing OK, keep practicing". If the same kid buys a Ferrari I'll say, "You're an idiot."