dialyn, The plug-ins from MuRay are excellent. He's the guy (Meister) who designed a plug-in maker for photoshop which is WAY better than Adobe's Filter Factory. I have about 10 plug-ins degigned with his 'factory' and they're all excellent. Unfortunatle, I don't have the addy, but I got 4 of his plug-ins (including the seamles one) and 7 by another guy. Well worth searchng for. Esp. one called 'SuperSmooth'. It gives a great effect with vicki renders. LOL. Rozilla, What's the deal with this Acme crew? Do you need to be online to use the program? Have you checked it for spyware? I d/ld it, but it's slow as treacle and keeps wanting to go online. It looks good. I just want to know what it's doing behind my back, is all. mac