Hey, Fly, no probs! My debating sometimes sounds more serious than it is (just ask some of the people in Forum News!) No offense intended :) "being that you are starting your first 2D image, if you use an expensive pencil (ferrari) then those of us who have sketched for years should just expect you to produce a masterpiece with a "top end look" and at the same time call you an idiot cause its your first 2D and you bought a ferrari without knowing how to handle it.." Absolutely! I might talk crap, but I do practice what I preach! :)))) See, I went out and bought a Wacom last week, never having done a full 2D image before, so you're dead right - if I screw it up then I am an IDIOT! I should've practiced first, at least with a pencil! But I just posted it (in Bryce for some reason) so feel free to go along and rip it to shreds! But more seriously (slightly), my point was just that if a person can't use the hobbyist tools, then they can expect a bit of stick if they skip straight to the more expensive pro tools and try and compete with the "masters". I suppose it doesn't really matter with things like kitchen knives, although if you cut your finger off with them I might well laugh a little! :) (Joking - I wouldn't really!)