Then drop a line into the challenges and ask if it's ok to do it in another program. Seeing as how you don't have Bryce, I'm sure people will say, "Oh, ok, then render in whatever you've got." =) While most of us have Bryce, we shouldn't forget that not everyone does, so lets try to leave more of the challenges a little more open on the rendering side. Thanks for pointing that out. =) Rosh