Pat, Just tell me which of the props you like and why and we'll work with it. I think they are all still available. (Hemlines fluctuate with the seasons and so do moons?) ;^) Sams just offered a crescent moon prop, and I'm pretty sure that there was a man-in-the-moon face out there, too, but the biggest decision you'll need to make is flat or sphere. Getting the light right on the sphere will be harder. You'll probably need to parent a spotlight to your camera (think of a flash unit) and have it "point at" the sphere in order to wash it out. Having a full moon shot in PhotoShop and importing it as a backdrop works if it is close enough to what you need... and you don't have anything else that you are rendering over. Penguinisto created and uploaded (PoserPros?) a bunch of nice moons using the Celestia program Maclean links to, but they are on black with stars. I think Celestia is Windows only, but there are similar Mac programs (I was drooling over them at MacWorld). We've come a long way from Dance of the Planets. I'd probably go with a prop over a photogragh background because there is more control over placement and size. However, with any of these props you will almost certainly have to brighten the image before or after rendering. Carolly