Forgive the sermon to the converted. It's not so much that I think he did anything supremely spectacular (though spectacular it was), they are common techniques for the shading. It's just that I find his ability to do the work with booleans in Bryce fascinating. Don't get me wrong, I find a lot of uses for Bryce in my daily workings. It's just the sheer modelling that gets to me. I find reading the boolean mesh structure to be very confusing. I usually end up building the models in a different modeller and porting into bryce. I guess the original intent of the post was to complement the artist (I didn't notice it was Rochr), and show that in such places as 3D Total (a notoriuosly Maya/3DS Max area) other programs can achieve as good a result without the hefty cost. I remember the thread a while back about "hobbyists" and Bryce so I guess this just shows those nay-sayers. I still feel more than slightly inadequate. Ken