have to admit that all I've learned so far is the 'extrude', 'bevel', and 'mirror' commands in Wings 3d. Anim8tor, I know even less. Not sure what an edge loop is; maybe like an Immelman or a Cuban 8..;). Did most of my modelling in Strata 2.5.3, but mostly +- of primatives. Did a Morion helmet (Conquistador style), but that's the only real 'wearable' I've done so far..;)

I wish I'd said that.. The Staircase Wit

anahl nathrak uth vas betude doth yel dyenvey..;)