okay...been reading this, and, it is plain that folks want a challenge. now, since this is the modelling forum...how about part of the challenge being based on what tools in your APP of choice, and, how you used them? i know that i am not the only one who sunk money into more than one app....keeps me out of the marketplace, doncha know....'cause i'm gonna live off the land, make all my own stuff and hit the poser hot 20 every time i post to that gallery...and, i won't use any marketplace objects, 'cause i am a purist. (actually, i am a purist...making the 20 every time was just a delusion...discount it and read on.) these programs, all, have their strengths and weaknesses. so tell us how you did the challenge, what tools you used, how you think your app did what you wanted. how you could have gotten more if your app could.....blank? i like this forum because it opens our eyes up to the fact that one modeller, no matter how expensive, or impressive..still is just a tool. and, to combine it with other tools that do similar, but, other things can be a sweet thing. oh, and, yes, i mostly like organics...so, if it is building a space port, i am not gonna play.