Thanks for the suggestions all. The render was done without shadows, as I'm still trying to come up with a light set that I like. I'm using two standard lights, both a medium brown, a dark brown spotlight and a dark purple spotlight. Am thinking of adding in a red spotlight for highlights. Ernyoka1: I have your card set and was thinking about using that if nothing else turned up. Thanks, I use them off and on, and appreciate your giving them to us. hauksdottir: Yeah, know about the composition thing. Funny thing is that when I had the purple spotlight set to a light blue, that problem doesn't appear. Guess I'll just have to re-adjust the camera angle. Will work on this again tonite when I get home from work. I'll try to use the suggestion that you've given, and see what I can do. (All this just because my boss' wife said she was a big Cher fan. ) :) Robin