Tim, I upgraded to Universe 5 for Renderamas dual CPU support. I got a Dual Athlon MP 2200 and I wanted to take advantage it otherwise I would have stuck with version 4. EricofSD, I thought I saw a thread about the same problem youre having but cant remember where, Try searching these sites (you probably already know them) you might find an answer to your problem. http://www.electricimage.com/ http://www.dvgarage.com/garage/break/forums/index.php http://www.postforum.com/forums/list.php?f=9 I counted 5 people on this thread. My brother is interested so that makes 6. If we all talk to people we know we might have the beginning a nice little EIU community here at Renderosity. Dave