I will post a render, I've been playing with materials and lighting but haven't achieved anything respectible yet. My problem is the reflections, there has to be something to reflect or it just doesn't look metallic. Also I was trying to crack this using global illumination and my computer just isn't up to it, soooo slow and it will hang occasionally. As for the new challenge, I'm game, which is it to be rocking horse or pogo stick? - Baz